Not really sure how it's humorous to joke about a controversial topic that most likely offends people especially if you're aware that it will bring offense to those people. But, I guess it is correct that an internet feud won't change anything considering the person in the wrong won't change either. After all, they don't really have anything else to do but find ways to start conflict and waste their time annoying people out of amusement. Just goes to show how some people don't really deserve access to the internet.
I need you to understand that just because you think a transphobic and actually offensive thing is a joke, doesn't mean it's funny and good, sure, it's a joke but a sh##ty one. You're being offensive, we're not being irrational, you are being stupid. You two made transphobic stupid jokes and are in the wrong, get over it.
also, @Pail, relax! im sorry if it offends you, but cmon! was this joke really horrible? if i find a post on twitter, that says, ¨all hispanics are filthy¨ im not gonna bust my balls over something that i cant change, the world is not gonna change. it just disappointing how yall really get pressed over the lightest jokes. if you have ever read farenheit 451 in school, you know what this might lead to.
I'm glad that this sparked a little conversation about the issue. I can tell you right off the bat, I'm no transphobe, I've worked with trans co workers, I've supported them in boycotting a local pizza place that refused to serve trans people and I've taken their side on facebook conflicts. Sports are where I draw the line. Biological women are seeing their records obliterated, scholarships taken from them, and a MMA fighter ended up with a cracked skull because nobody told her Fallon Fox used to be a man, and has the bone density of one. In this case. To me, a fair chance for those biologically female athletes it's more important than not hurting some feelings.
Just shut up. I’m tired of the fucking hate. I know what this jam means. It’s blatant to me. You two clearly don’t want people like me in this site. You clearly have hate in your hearts and it shows in how you’ve been acting and treating EVERYONE on this site from furries to lgbtq+ people like myself and even to children who are just here to keep fun. Well I’ve got news for you, we’re not going anywhere. We’ve been here longer than you have and we care about one another and we aren’t going to stand by while you promote your idea of hate. And if you don’t like that, I suggest YOU chill out or leave because we’re not going to stop standing up for each other.
I've made my research years ago, when I found that the author of my favorite webcomic at the time is a polyamorous trans lesbian, I know what hormone treatment do and what doesn't do, and to what extent depending on the age it's prescribed, I learned about gender disphoria and how some people fake or take advantage of a transition to avoid certain criminal charges, retire earlier or get an easy sports scholarship. I was throwing a jab at those unscrupulous people specifically, not at the LGBetc community, I'm sorry you interpreted it the wrong way.
Nobody here is going to make an illegal immigrant joke because we know it will or could offend someone. The problem is you knew this would piss someone off yet you did it anyways. If you want to make those kind of jokes or make your own opinions on the matter, go do it in a different platform. This is a website that’s meant for people to have fun sharing their art, not spout about your own beliefs.
I was having fun, I have no idea who´s trans or gay here, and I don't care, I'm not intentionally targeting and harassing people, I just do what I find funny at the moment, and I'll never have a taboo topic just because it's offensive. If anyone is having an emotional breakdown because of a webcomic, seek professional help. Report me if you want to, I'll leave it up to the judgement of whoever is in charge here, if they decide to terminate my account I won't create a new one.
It’s not about you. It’s about the community and making webcomics that make people happy. This isn’t one of those instances that everyone laughs at because it’s a sensitive topic that didn’t need to be brought up at all. If that’s your kind of fun then have at it somewhere else because it’s not very welcome here.
“I don’t know who’s trans or gay here” I don’t believe you. You drew blatantly transphobic panels on a comic started by the person who’s probably the most open about her transness on this site and when confronted by said person decided to double on.
I’ve dealt with people like you before, I know the tricks. I know the half truths, the oft repeated lines, the “jokes”. I’m not going to be harassed off the site.
The world doesn't revolve around you, If not for this whole thing I'd never even look at your profile name, I've seen your character around but I don't know a lot about her, not even her name, so far I've seen that someone else gave her a penis in a panel, but I didn't know if it was canon, this was completely unplanned. I still won't apologise or tone down my stuff, the most I can do for you is to steer clear from any jam you start. And I don't want to "harass you off the site" I don't care at all if you stay or leave. But I'm not going anywhere either.
Just stop with the offensive jokes and controversial topics, alright? It doesn't help anyone when those kinds of things are brought up. The only thing it does is instigate arguments.
You guys, it is a joke, if you make a joke saying that hispanics speak taco, I wont whinge about it, of course I find it mean, but there was really no great harm done. But thats the difference between you and me. I do not go and whinge to them, I dont victimize myself, I just understand that this joke is not really some sort of threat to my existence and move one
and if you really are gonna bust your balls every day about what everyone says, tell me, how on earth are you gonna react when you hear something you dont like. I mean all of you are great artists, good people, funny people, but it just saddens me how a small nudge on your shoulder can be misinterpreted into the most hateful bigotry on earth. Of course I know that shitting on people is shitty, but there was really no harm. writing essays and shit, you guys are fighting with no purpose, what, is this whole shitty combination of pixels gonna change my life?
If there is ever something you dont like, just think, is this even worth the time, is this person truly attacking me and hoping I die? If not, move one, be my guest.
Anyways, yeah, Im sorry this offended you, just dont take it personal or too harshly because no real deep insult was hidden underneath, I hope we all can get along because you guys are cool artists. see yall later
If it was a joke, then we’d be laughing. The difference here is that you only care about your own humor and don’t think about how it makes others feel. It’s selfish really. It doesn’t matter how it makes you feel, it’s about others around you. You don’t seem to get that though because of how thick headed you are and how much you want to be in the right.
Wow Ok. I've missed this drama. And for some reason i'm gonna add to it.
First of all, right now as this stands I tend to be on CherryFlavored side as she is clearly a victim of harassment here. I think she has everyright to feel attacked. Even more by your comments (Sabandija and HelpMe). I think you have the wrong idea of what to do when someone is hurt by one of your jokes. You shouldn't laugh at them or tell them to fuck off because it's a joke. Sometimes Risqué jokes don't work out, and when that happens you should show the ones who go offended compassion/or respect. Everytime someone is offended by an Edgy joke... that person has a very good and REAL reason to feel attacked. It might seem like she's overreacting to you, but we all have different perspectives and different lives. What is clearly something for you, could be clearly something else for someone else. What you did you could be similar or exactly the same as someone else in her life that DID want to hate her and was indeed transphobic. She's clearly hurt by it, and telling her to fuck off is just making it worst. Please just be sorry for making someone hurt and try to be mindful for next time with that specific person and those specific type of jokes around that person.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't think Sabandija panel is pure hate or showing that he's transphobic. I believe it was an accident and sometimes a risqué joke don't work out. Sabandija shouldn't feel bad for making jokes, but Sabandija (And HelpMe, but I knew that about HelpMe already) shouldn't be in the mindset of "you don't like it? Get the fuck out". That's kind of childish and disrespectful. What isn't a big deal for someone, could be a bigger deal for someone else. Also, just because a joke isn't funny to you doesn't mean it's not funny to someone else. As long as the joke stays a joke and doesn't become harassment or bullying, you shouldn't try to get rid of it. Not every joke is made for you, and that's fine.
In conclusion, please just make friends and I hope this incident can be forgotten. I'd very much like to continue being friends and this whole situation to me looks like it's a miscommunication that got worst when feelings came in the way.
Thank you for the input and for acting reasonable. Also I didn’t mean any joke I don’t find funny isn’t, I was just saying how this one in particular would most likely not amuse the majority of viewers that see it.
Not everyone agrees with eachother, I believe that Kawaita is right, I mean I am allowed to make jokes, but not in a way that is a hateful attack, and I also wont be rude as hell. But just understand that we all find different stuff funny, and I understand where the line is and I didnt mean no personal disrespect, and I will admit, at the time of writing my previous commentary I was butthurt. I know that my joke was not gonna land well, but I dont believe it was, REALLY that major. I like all of yall, but we may not agree on everything, I will just agree to disagree and not have that mindset of ¨shut the fuck up and leave¨, I just hope we can all make funny ass panels again.
I don’t entirely believe that considering the things you said within the Paneljam, “cancel worthy” comment section about how you and your friend bullied someone. It just still seems like you want to give people hell for your own benefit. And you can say whatever you want to say. I’m just not going to believe it and hope others stay cautious about your claim here as well.
No, you're not sorry. I was supposed to stop but this is making me angry and I had to respond even if noone talked here for a long time. You never see what you did wrong, even if you say that. You see nothing wrong with ruining fun for a group of people, an example of this is your hate of furries and you supporting c##fuc##r's panels. You see nothing wrong with bullying people until they get suicidal, you think it's their fault when they feel sad AFTER YOU INSULT THEM, you see nothing wrong with your behavior and it's absolutely disgusting. You see nothing wrong with telling someone who you have been told is a child that they don't know nothing about jokes and then insulting them when they talk about your behavior. You see nothing wrong with anything you do, you say you will change and yet you never do, you will always make other miserable just for laughs, I would say I hope you change but I know that will never happen.
Nejt, I personally dont believe that my pathetic and fruitless attempts at a roast really go to the certain extent you provide. Ask the person whoever you are describing, then tell me what they said. Of course I know what I did was wrong, I mean everyone I insulted did nothing wrong, and I do feel bad for being a thorn in the side. I mean I admire that you stand up to me, but I personally believe I caused all but a minor disturbance, I of course may be wrong. I mean, I obviously dont like people who dress as animals, its a no for me, but I swear to Jesus that one of the only times I have actually bullied someone is here and like on twitter once. What I will say is that I keep my mouth shut.
Trans woman have no advanage over cis woman in sports, any more than cis woman have different levels of skills to each other. Please look up Laural Hubbard as an example. Saying otherwise is straight up lying, and making people believe the transphobic idea that trans woman have no place in sport.
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Oh cool thanks. I see how it is. Glad to see where we all stand. Got it. Nice to know. Love to see it.
@cherryFlavored Chill, it's just a comic. You can make one mocking Mexicans or men under 5'5 if that makes you feel better.
Someone: [Transphobic thing]
Someone else: You can't say that!
Someone: yo, chill, you're being dumb.
My point is, you're stupid.
Could you explain the joke then? Why is it funny? Perhaps we’ve missed something.
Not really sure how it's humorous to joke about a controversial topic that most likely offends people especially if you're aware that it will bring offense to those people. But, I guess it is correct that an internet feud won't change anything considering the person in the wrong won't change either. After all, they don't really have anything else to do but find ways to start conflict and waste their time annoying people out of amusement. Just goes to show how some people don't really deserve access to the internet.
I need you to understand that just because you think a transphobic and actually offensive thing is a joke, doesn't mean it's funny and good, sure, it's a joke but a sh##ty one. You're being offensive, we're not being irrational, you are being stupid. You two made transphobic stupid jokes and are in the wrong, get over it.
Anyway, i said what i wanted to say so i will stop feeding the trolls.
also, @Pail, relax! im sorry if it offends you, but cmon! was this joke really horrible? if i find a post on twitter, that says, ¨all hispanics are filthy¨ im not gonna bust my balls over something that i cant change, the world is not gonna change. it just disappointing how yall really get pressed over the lightest jokes. if you have ever read farenheit 451 in school, you know what this might lead to.
I'm glad that this sparked a little conversation about the issue. I can tell you right off the bat, I'm no transphobe, I've worked with trans co workers, I've supported them in boycotting a local pizza place that refused to serve trans people and I've taken their side on facebook conflicts. Sports are where I draw the line. Biological women are seeing their records obliterated, scholarships taken from them, and a MMA fighter ended up with a cracked skull because nobody told her Fallon Fox used to be a man, and has the bone density of one. In this case. To me, a fair chance for those biologically female athletes it's more important than not hurting some feelings.
Just shut up. I’m tired of the fucking hate. I know what this jam means. It’s blatant to me. You two clearly don’t want people like me in this site. You clearly have hate in your hearts and it shows in how you’ve been acting and treating EVERYONE on this site from furries to lgbtq+ people like myself and even to children who are just here to keep fun. Well I’ve got news for you, we’re not going anywhere. We’ve been here longer than you have and we care about one another and we aren’t going to stand by while you promote your idea of hate. And if you don’t like that, I suggest YOU chill out or leave because we’re not going to stop standing up for each other.
And maybe do some research on how hormone therapy actually works. I’m sick and tired of this transphobic lie being spread around
I've made my research years ago, when I found that the author of my favorite webcomic at the time is a polyamorous trans lesbian, I know what hormone treatment do and what doesn't do, and to what extent depending on the age it's prescribed, I learned about gender disphoria and how some people fake or take advantage of a transition to avoid certain criminal charges, retire earlier or get an easy sports scholarship. I was throwing a jab at those unscrupulous people specifically, not at the LGBetc community, I'm sorry you interpreted it the wrong way.
Nobody here is going to make an illegal immigrant joke because we know it will or could offend someone. The problem is you knew this would piss someone off yet you did it anyways. If you want to make those kind of jokes or make your own opinions on the matter, go do it in a different platform. This is a website that’s meant for people to have fun sharing their art, not spout about your own beliefs.
I was having fun, I have no idea who´s trans or gay here, and I don't care, I'm not intentionally targeting and harassing people, I just do what I find funny at the moment, and I'll never have a taboo topic just because it's offensive. If anyone is having an emotional breakdown because of a webcomic, seek professional help. Report me if you want to, I'll leave it up to the judgement of whoever is in charge here, if they decide to terminate my account I won't create a new one.
It’s not about you. It’s about the community and making webcomics that make people happy. This isn’t one of those instances that everyone laughs at because it’s a sensitive topic that didn’t need to be brought up at all. If that’s your kind of fun then have at it somewhere else because it’s not very welcome here.
“I don’t know who’s trans or gay here” I don’t believe you. You drew blatantly transphobic panels on a comic started by the person who’s probably the most open about her transness on this site and when confronted by said person decided to double on.
I’ve dealt with people like you before, I know the tricks. I know the half truths, the oft repeated lines, the “jokes”. I’m not going to be harassed off the site.
The world doesn't revolve around you, If not for this whole thing I'd never even look at your profile name, I've seen your character around but I don't know a lot about her, not even her name, so far I've seen that someone else gave her a penis in a panel, but I didn't know if it was canon, this was completely unplanned. I still won't apologise or tone down my stuff, the most I can do for you is to steer clear from any jam you start. And I don't want to "harass you off the site" I don't care at all if you stay or leave. But I'm not going anywhere either.
Just stop with the offensive jokes and controversial topics, alright? It doesn't help anyone when those kinds of things are brought up. The only thing it does is instigate arguments.
You guys, it is a joke, if you make a joke saying that hispanics speak taco, I wont whinge about it, of course I find it mean, but there was really no great harm done. But thats the difference between you and me. I do not go and whinge to them, I dont victimize myself, I just understand that this joke is not really some sort of threat to my existence and move one
and if you really are gonna bust your balls every day about what everyone says, tell me, how on earth are you gonna react when you hear something you dont like. I mean all of you are great artists, good people, funny people, but it just saddens me how a small nudge on your shoulder can be misinterpreted into the most hateful bigotry on earth. Of course I know that shitting on people is shitty, but there was really no harm. writing essays and shit, you guys are fighting with no purpose, what, is this whole shitty combination of pixels gonna change my life?
If there is ever something you dont like, just think, is this even worth the time, is this person truly attacking me and hoping I die? If not, move one, be my guest.
Anyways, yeah, Im sorry this offended you, just dont take it personal or too harshly because no real deep insult was hidden underneath, I hope we all can get along because you guys are cool artists. see yall later
If it was a joke, then we’d be laughing. The difference here is that you only care about your own humor and don’t think about how it makes others feel. It’s selfish really. It doesn’t matter how it makes you feel, it’s about others around you. You don’t seem to get that though because of how thick headed you are and how much you want to be in the right.
Wow Ok. I've missed this drama. And for some reason i'm gonna add to it.
First of all, right now as this stands I tend to be on CherryFlavored side as she is clearly a victim of harassment here. I think she has everyright to feel attacked. Even more by your comments (Sabandija and HelpMe). I think you have the wrong idea of what to do when someone is hurt by one of your jokes. You shouldn't laugh at them or tell them to fuck off because it's a joke. Sometimes Risqué jokes don't work out, and when that happens you should show the ones who go offended compassion/or respect. Everytime someone is offended by an Edgy joke... that person has a very good and REAL reason to feel attacked. It might seem like she's overreacting to you, but we all have different perspectives and different lives. What is clearly something for you, could be clearly something else for someone else. What you did you could be similar or exactly the same as someone else in her life that DID want to hate her and was indeed transphobic. She's clearly hurt by it, and telling her to fuck off is just making it worst. Please just be sorry for making someone hurt and try to be mindful for next time with that specific person and those specific type of jokes around that person.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't think Sabandija panel is pure hate or showing that he's transphobic. I believe it was an accident and sometimes a risqué joke don't work out. Sabandija shouldn't feel bad for making jokes, but Sabandija (And HelpMe, but I knew that about HelpMe already) shouldn't be in the mindset of "you don't like it? Get the fuck out". That's kind of childish and disrespectful. What isn't a big deal for someone, could be a bigger deal for someone else. Also, just because a joke isn't funny to you doesn't mean it's not funny to someone else. As long as the joke stays a joke and doesn't become harassment or bullying, you shouldn't try to get rid of it. Not every joke is made for you, and that's fine.
In conclusion, please just make friends and I hope this incident can be forgotten. I'd very much like to continue being friends and this whole situation to me looks like it's a miscommunication that got worst when feelings came in the way.
Thank you for the input and for acting reasonable. Also I didn’t mean any joke I don’t find funny isn’t, I was just saying how this one in particular would most likely not amuse the majority of viewers that see it.
Not everyone agrees with eachother, I believe that Kawaita is right, I mean I am allowed to make jokes, but not in a way that is a hateful attack, and I also wont be rude as hell. But just understand that we all find different stuff funny, and I understand where the line is and I didnt mean no personal disrespect, and I will admit, at the time of writing my previous commentary I was butthurt. I know that my joke was not gonna land well, but I dont believe it was, REALLY that major. I like all of yall, but we may not agree on everything, I will just agree to disagree and not have that mindset of ¨shut the fuck up and leave¨, I just hope we can all make funny ass panels again.
I don’t entirely believe that considering the things you said within the Paneljam, “cancel worthy” comment section about how you and your friend bullied someone. It just still seems like you want to give people hell for your own benefit. And you can say whatever you want to say. I’m just not going to believe it and hope others stay cautious about your claim here as well.
No, you're not sorry. I was supposed to stop but this is making me angry and I had to respond even if noone talked here for a long time. You never see what you did wrong, even if you say that. You see nothing wrong with ruining fun for a group of people, an example of this is your hate of furries and you supporting c##fuc##r's panels. You see nothing wrong with bullying people until they get suicidal, you think it's their fault when they feel sad AFTER YOU INSULT THEM, you see nothing wrong with your behavior and it's absolutely disgusting. You see nothing wrong with telling someone who you have been told is a child that they don't know nothing about jokes and then insulting them when they talk about your behavior. You see nothing wrong with anything you do, you say you will change and yet you never do, you will always make other miserable just for laughs, I would say I hope you change but I know that will never happen.
Nejt, I personally dont believe that my pathetic and fruitless attempts at a roast really go to the certain extent you provide. Ask the person whoever you are describing, then tell me what they said. Of course I know what I did was wrong, I mean everyone I insulted did nothing wrong, and I do feel bad for being a thorn in the side. I mean I admire that you stand up to me, but I personally believe I caused all but a minor disturbance, I of course may be wrong. I mean, I obviously dont like people who dress as animals, its a no for me, but I swear to Jesus that one of the only times I have actually bullied someone is here and like on twitter once. What I will say is that I keep my mouth shut.
Trans woman have no advanage over cis woman in sports, any more than cis woman have different levels of skills to each other. Please look up Laural Hubbard as an example. Saying otherwise is straight up lying, and making people believe the transphobic idea that trans woman have no place in sport.
Aw naw this got revived
@Nejt Sorry, my bad... it just pissed me off.